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		<title>by: measured and found lacking &#187; about a nurse</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-75521</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] i took a test of patience and i failed it. again. [...]</description>
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		<title>by: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-31354</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Amen, Shrimplate.

The issue is not about whether or not a patient's illness is a result of their own actions. The issue is whether or not the patient can allow him/herself to accept the care and compassion of the people who are trying to ease their suffering. If the patient is unwilling to accept the care and compassion offered, then the caregiver has no choice but to stop offering. In that situation, the nurse can do nothing but the "robotic" functions of nursing, and ensure that he/she acts professionally, and with the clinical skill necessary to ensure the patient's safety. Nothing more, nothing less. The patient May describes reminds me of the countless homeless, intoxicated individuals brought to my hospital to "dry out" in the ICCU where I worked. I offered medication to ease the physical symptoms of withdrawal, I attended to their physical needs, and I took the same care with them as I did with any other patient on my unit. On occasion, one of these patients would express his/her gratitude after the delerium passed, or would feel embarassed by their behavior. Then, and only then, would I pull up a chair next to their bed. I would offer my compassion again, but I was very careful to never offer what I couldn't afford to lose. The amount of abuse and disrespect a human being can tolerate is finite. Nurses are human beings, too. People sometimes forget that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Shrimplate.</p>
<p>The issue is not about whether or not a patient&#8217;s illness is a result of their own actions. The issue is whether or not the patient can allow him/herself to accept the care and compassion of the people who are trying to ease their suffering. If the patient is unwilling to accept the care and compassion offered, then the caregiver has no choice but to stop offering. In that situation, the nurse can do nothing but the &#8220;robotic&#8221; functions of nursing, and ensure that he/she acts professionally, and with the clinical skill necessary to ensure the patient&#8217;s safety. Nothing more, nothing less. The patient May describes reminds me of the countless homeless, intoxicated individuals brought to my hospital to &#8220;dry out&#8221; in the ICCU where I worked. I offered medication to ease the physical symptoms of withdrawal, I attended to their physical needs, and I took the same care with them as I did with any other patient on my unit. On occasion, one of these patients would express his/her gratitude after the delerium passed, or would feel embarassed by their behavior. Then, and only then, would I pull up a chair next to their bed. I would offer my compassion again, but I was very careful to never offer what I couldn&#8217;t afford to lose. The amount of abuse and disrespect a human being can tolerate is finite. Nurses are human beings, too. People sometimes forget that.
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		<title>by: shrimplate</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-27991</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 05:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Some people just aren't that easy to be nice to. 

Very often, people with personality disorders have an inherent kind of selfishness that also points them towards addictions that also gain them fatal illnesses such as AIDS and alcoholism.

Some maintain human graciousness. Some don't. Fuck 'em. Assholes. God invented pain for such people. And the disdain from others that even nurses must show.

Like the poster said, karma is a bitch. So what. I'll take mine, with thanks.

There's a special place in heaven for nurses. But I will gladly give up my space for the forgotten child af any one of those fuckheads that, like the jerkwad May describes, give others such a difficult time.

Wouldn't you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people just aren&#8217;t that easy to be nice to. </p>
<p>Very often, people with personality disorders have an inherent kind of selfishness that also points them towards addictions that also gain them fatal illnesses such as AIDS and alcoholism.</p>
<p>Some maintain human graciousness. Some don&#8217;t. Fuck &#8216;em. Assholes. God invented pain for such people. And the disdain from others that even nurses must show.</p>
<p>Like the poster said, karma is a bitch. So what. I&#8217;ll take mine, with thanks.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a special place in heaven for nurses. But I will gladly give up my space for the forgotten child af any one of those fuckheads that, like the jerkwad May describes, give others such a difficult time.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you?
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		<title>by: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-27703</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 03:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>ATTITUDE IS EVERYTHING. I remember assisting a terminal patient, maxed out on pain meds, and every slight movement was agony for her. Quite often she would yelp in pain, and almost always had tears running down her face. Yet she never yelled, she didn't complain, and she was always appreciative of every little thing you would do for her.  And then there are those who yell and scream over the least little thing, and do nothing but complain, and feel the whole world is against them and everyone owes them.

So May, I can tell from your blog, when it is your turn on the "potty chair", you will not behave like the many that you have been dealing with - you also have the advantage of seeing both sides so will be able to remember the caregiver's perspective. Yes karma can be a bitch, but in your case May, I am sure only good karma is in your future.

We all have bad days, for some people almost every day is a bad day; but unfortunately some people feel the need to take their bad days out on everyone, which not only negatively affects those trying to help, but makes it even worse for themselves.

May, you always get me started on these long winded comments - I need to start a new blog just to comment on what I read here ;-)

PS - I envy you - I wish I was able to do what you did - the difficult patient I dealt with in my clinical practice who made me cry probably wasn't half as difficult as yours - I need to learn from people like you and turn the emotion off to get the job done - if you don't you just burn yourself out.  I think you handled everything the way you were supposed to.  Please don't second guess yourself - you are a great nurse :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATTITUDE IS EVERYTHING. I remember assisting a terminal patient, maxed out on pain meds, and every slight movement was agony for her. Quite often she would yelp in pain, and almost always had tears running down her face. Yet she never yelled, she didn&#8217;t complain, and she was always appreciative of every little thing you would do for her.  And then there are those who yell and scream over the least little thing, and do nothing but complain, and feel the whole world is against them and everyone owes them.</p>
<p>So May, I can tell from your blog, when it is your turn on the &#8220;potty chair&#8221;, you will not behave like the many that you have been dealing with - you also have the advantage of seeing both sides so will be able to remember the caregiver&#8217;s perspective. Yes karma can be a bitch, but in your case May, I am sure only good karma is in your future.</p>
<p>We all have bad days, for some people almost every day is a bad day; but unfortunately some people feel the need to take their bad days out on everyone, which not only negatively affects those trying to help, but makes it even worse for themselves.</p>
<p>May, you always get me started on these long winded comments - I need to start a new blog just to comment on what I read here <img src='http://www.aboutanurse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS - I envy you - I wish I was able to do what you did - the difficult patient I dealt with in my clinical practice who made me cry probably wasn&#8217;t half as difficult as yours - I need to learn from people like you and turn the emotion off to get the job done - if you don&#8217;t you just burn yourself out.  I think you handled everything the way you were supposed to.  Please don&#8217;t second guess yourself - you are a great nurse <img src='http://www.aboutanurse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-27659</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 22:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As nurses we all deserve to be treated with respect.  Of course, patients do too.  I smoked for many years, and I now have COPD.  I have been occasionally treated shabbily because of the attitude that I caused this so I "got what I deserve".

However, I am eternally grateful for the majority who have treated me so kindly and respectfully.  Most of us, as nurses, WANT to do the right thing even when it is almost impossible.

Could he have benefited from a psych consult?  Sometimes anger is so displaced that we need someone or something to bring us back to reality.

I think you did a good job, May.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As nurses we all deserve to be treated with respect.  Of course, patients do too.  I smoked for many years, and I now have COPD.  I have been occasionally treated shabbily because of the attitude that I caused this so I &#8220;got what I deserve&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, I am eternally grateful for the majority who have treated me so kindly and respectfully.  Most of us, as nurses, WANT to do the right thing even when it is almost impossible.</p>
<p>Could he have benefited from a psych consult?  Sometimes anger is so displaced that we need someone or something to bring us back to reality.</p>
<p>I think you did a good job, May.
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		<title>by: Pam</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-27400</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 04:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bobby, I never meant that because a patient "did this to him or her self" that any nurse is justified to be mean when such a patient is lashing out. I am NOT mean to dying patients who are irritable, no matter how they became ill. I do not withhold pain medication or other comfort measures. 

My point had to do with the inappropriately placed blame. The patient was angry with the fact that he was dying and was taking it out on his caregivers. 

May is an exceptional nurse. I appreciate the privilege that May has afforded for us health care professionals to read her thoughts and feelings and to respond to her  in support and agreement.

I wish you comfort, Bobby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, I never meant that because a patient &#8220;did this to him or her self&#8221; that any nurse is justified to be mean when such a patient is lashing out. I am NOT mean to dying patients who are irritable, no matter how they became ill. I do not withhold pain medication or other comfort measures. </p>
<p>My point had to do with the inappropriately placed blame. The patient was angry with the fact that he was dying and was taking it out on his caregivers. </p>
<p>May is an exceptional nurse. I appreciate the privilege that May has afforded for us health care professionals to read her thoughts and feelings and to respond to her  in support and agreement.</p>
<p>I wish you comfort, Bobby.
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		<title>by: Mary Lu</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-27300</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 12:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>May, I cared for a number of AIDS patients over the years in this situation and never would I ever take the abuse his guy has tried to heap on you. You are a professional and deserve him to act like a civil human being. The next time he goes off, stop what you're doing, look him squarely in the eye and tell him his behavior is not acceptable. Tell him you are more than willing to help make him comfortable and take care of him, but he must make the effort to meet you half way and stop the lying. Calling them on the carpet politely is the only way to get them to stop the BS. Everyone running around on tip-toes isn't going to do work. 

Hon' we all wish we had a nurse like you when we're in the bed needing care. There's too few nurses like you to go around.  Chin up Sweetie... We appreciate you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May, I cared for a number of AIDS patients over the years in this situation and never would I ever take the abuse his guy has tried to heap on you. You are a professional and deserve him to act like a civil human being. The next time he goes off, stop what you&#8217;re doing, look him squarely in the eye and tell him his behavior is not acceptable. Tell him you are more than willing to help make him comfortable and take care of him, but he must make the effort to meet you half way and stop the lying. Calling them on the carpet politely is the only way to get them to stop the BS. Everyone running around on tip-toes isn&#8217;t going to do work. </p>
<p>Hon&#8217; we all wish we had a nurse like you when we&#8217;re in the bed needing care. There&#8217;s too few nurses like you to go around.  Chin up Sweetie&#8230; We appreciate you!
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		<title>by: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-27138</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 08:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would like to clarify also, if I may, May. First of all, I have always thought nurses were 'sweet angels'
sent by a loving God to take care of us when we are
suffering some of the lowest points of our lives. After
being the sole caretaker for my best friend of ten years while she was also dying of ESLD, I found out the hard way that while most good nurses seem almost super human,and make the job look effortless, a small percentage are like tornadoes of s--t roaring down the halls,late for pain meds,short on compassion, and full of excuses. Don't think I was calling you a bitch, I wasn't. But as for all these other comments , let me say that when you all get your turn at the potty chair
chapter of your life, you won't want to hear how the
nurse needs to finish all these vitals, while you poop
yourself. Only for you, it will be MUCH worse. You did
this job when you were young, so when dementia is 
setting in for good, or when you have stage two hepatic encephalopathy, and are ranting like the AIDS patient,(or my best friend), there will be very little the young brats taking care of you will be able to do as good as you did. You will be hard to please, and they will retaliate by making you wait for that dose of roxynol, or to get you up on the potty chair. Don't get me wrong, I said that most I met were excellent, but
the ones that weren't had the same attitude that a lot of these people commenting here have, especially the first one, Pam. Don't listen to them. Feel bad, learn from it. Early on I made a conscious decision to not argue with her sick liver, cause I knew it wasn't her talking. Or go ahead, fall for it. Let the patient's
disease suck you in. Either way, the choice is yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to clarify also, if I may, May. First of all, I have always thought nurses were &#8217;sweet angels&#8217;<br />
sent by a loving God to take care of us when we are<br />
suffering some of the lowest points of our lives. After<br />
being the sole caretaker for my best friend of ten years while she was also dying of ESLD, I found out the hard way that while most good nurses seem almost super human,and make the job look effortless, a small percentage are like tornadoes of s&#8211;t roaring down the halls,late for pain meds,short on compassion, and full of excuses. Don&#8217;t think I was calling you a bitch, I wasn&#8217;t. But as for all these other comments , let me say that when you all get your turn at the potty chair<br />
chapter of your life, you won&#8217;t want to hear how the<br />
nurse needs to finish all these vitals, while you poop<br />
yourself. Only for you, it will be MUCH worse. You did<br />
this job when you were young, so when dementia is<br />
setting in for good, or when you have stage two hepatic encephalopathy, and are ranting like the AIDS patient,(or my best friend), there will be very little the young brats taking care of you will be able to do as good as you did. You will be hard to please, and they will retaliate by making you wait for that dose of roxynol, or to get you up on the potty chair. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I said that most I met were excellent, but<br />
the ones that weren&#8217;t had the same attitude that a lot of these people commenting here have, especially the first one, Pam. Don&#8217;t listen to them. Feel bad, learn from it. Early on I made a conscious decision to not argue with her sick liver, cause I knew it wasn&#8217;t her talking. Or go ahead, fall for it. Let the patient&#8217;s<br />
disease suck you in. Either way, the choice is yours.
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		<title>by: girlvet</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-27103</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 02:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You are a human with human feelings.  A lot of people don't understand that about nurses.  We are human too.  He acted like an asshole. He doesn't have a right to verbally abuse people no matter what the circumstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a human with human feelings.  A lot of people don&#8217;t understand that about nurses.  We are human too.  He acted like an asshole. He doesn&#8217;t have a right to verbally abuse people no matter what the circumstance.
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		<title>by: kimmyk</title>
		<link>http://www.aboutanurse.com/2007/04/the-aids-patient.html#comment-27047</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>it's hard to help those who don't want to help themselves.
don't beat yourself up May.  You were just trying to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s hard to help those who don&#8217;t want to help themselves.<br />
don&#8217;t beat yourself up May.  You were just trying to help.
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